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Hypothetical Situation - QQ on Money Bubble of WSOP Main Event

Anthony Martino
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June 20, 2010 3:09:17 AM EDT

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You're playing in your first ever $10,000 buyin World Series of Poker Main Event. You won your way into this tournament through a series of satellites that originally cost you $20 to enter.

Somehow you've managed to make it to Day Three and you have a respectable chip stack of 95,000 (you started with 30K)

You're now on Level 12 (1K/2K blinds and a 300 chip ante) and there is one more elimination until the money bubble bursts and play is hand-for-hand.

You've played a pretty solid game, not getting out of line. In middle position it's folded to you and you hold QQ and raise to 7500.

The button is:

Tom Durrrr Dwan and he is the table chipleader and bully, sitting on a stack of 480,000 chips. You've seen him call preflop raises with 95 and river three 9's to bust a guy that had pocket Tens on a 9-high flop.

He raises all-in and both blinds fold, the action is on you. Would you call or fold?
Ronin1085 .
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June 20, 2010 5:47:25 AM EDT

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first I'd be thinking;" ^$^$&$$&#$@#$@@$#@%@%@$@$%@(^^*&^*^(" after that it's even rougher -- wait for the bubble to burst? or play some poker?

I would go for cashing first since I am so close, then the gloves are off.

so with those variables -- I most likely would fold
Rene Castillo
June 20, 2010 6:02:43 AM EDT

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i think we gotta let this one go. if he had something marginal or bullshit i think he either raises less or just calls in position if he feel like screwing with u. further, while yeah he does make alot of balsy bluffs, i haven't seen him make the suicide shove too much. Course I'm basing this purely on HSP and the few tourneys ive seen him on. Standard threebet I probably am much more willing to go to war with him, but here, only 99, TT, JJ are in his range here that we really dominate, anything else I think he maybe 3bet or call but not shove.
Tess Tessier
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June 20, 2010 6:13:28 AM EDT

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I'd go to the ladies room, after I folded my QQ's those bitches never hold up when u need them most. With Durr he's a sick fk. So no matter what he'd probably win with 3/4 os. I'd come back as soon as someone bubbled out. Once in the $$ I'd come out swinging with all the power with in my knowledge of poker. Tess
Ian Ross
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June 20, 2010 6:16:15 AM EDT

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After a bit of debate with myself, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna fold this time. I'm presuming that since I $20 satellited into this tourney, I'm not flush with the cash (or I'd have gone in on a higher satellite.) Therefore, I'm playing nothing until the bubble bursts - I get a few thousand dollars, the kudos from my mates, etc.

I like a risk or too but this is too hot for me.
Dan L.
June 20, 2010 6:43:16 AM EDT

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That would be a crazy situation! For me it's a call. For one, our opponent is so aggressive his range is huge in that spot. I think if he had KK or AA he would be 3-betting there not pushing. He knows that we are at the bubble too and is probably using it to his advantage,knowing only a monster hand can call a push here.
I want to win, not make the bubble and this is a great chance to double up. Call that overaggressive adrenaline junkie and let him show us pocket 4's...
Ronin1085 .
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June 20, 2010 6:50:31 AM EDT

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Like I said, I'd probably let my Queens go, and it would look something like this:
Ronin1085 .
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June 20, 2010 6:53:33 AM EDT

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SamAdamsDan wrote...
That would be a crazy situation! For me it's a call. For one, our opponent is so aggressive his range is huge in that spot. I think if he had KK or AA he would be 3-betting there not pushing. He knows that we are at the bubble too and is probably using it to his advantage,knowing only a monster hand can call a push here.
I want to win, not make the bubble and this is a great chance to double up. Call that overaggressive adrenaline junkie and let him show us pocket 4's...

That's ballsy Dan -- you are a better man than me. :)
Anthony Martino
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June 20, 2010 7:16:25 AM EDT

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btw, there is no "right" answer here, since everyones situation and approach would be different. I'd love to say I would fist-pump call and hold against his 93 offsuit (and not run into a cooler) but with one to go until the money and such a healthy stack, I might puss-out on this and fold too, depending on my situation at the time.
Mike Canu
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June 20, 2010 9:23:55 AM EDT

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I want the bracelet I call!
Tess Tessier
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June 20, 2010 9:54:15 AM EDT

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I want the bracelet I call!

Opps, he's got JJ's ur ahead all the way to river when it happens because it's lucky goosy Lucy. there's the Jack. You lose ur OUT. No braclet, no money, but everyone is secretly happy cuz u were the bubble. Now I go on to win maybe even the braclet if I'm lucky enough.
Michael Aitchison
June 20, 2010 10:23:07 AM EDT

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those chips in front of you have a real money value of around $15,000 for a min cash in the main event and that would be a $14,980 profit which is more than enough to make me fold at this point after the bubble an easy call.
Ronin1085 .
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June 20, 2010 10:29:37 AM EDT

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LOL I agree there MIchael -- but then I also might say:

and then at least secure the mininum profit LOL
Kashuskay -
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June 21, 2010 4:44:48 AM EDT

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Easy fold. You can still 'win' the tournament with your chip stack. Why on earth would you risk gambling here for 15k in guaranteed money? Most likely you have the best hand and are ahead but we all know how many times the best starting hand can lose and you don't have the best one.

Kash
Anthony Martino
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June 21, 2010 6:11:22 AM EDT

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What if we change your hand to KK? Does everyone still fold?
Ronin1085 .
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June 21, 2010 6:39:35 AM EDT

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anthony wrote...
What if we change your hand to KK? Does everyone still fold?

Much more tempting -- less likely to puss out. but still getting run down in this spot would just blow after all that time invested.

Do pros with backing know this?? of course, so I just have to think of me at this point.
Viet Tran
June 22, 2010 8:26:05 AM EDT

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I would foldem. but if a 10k buyin was nothin to you then I would play it no doubt.
Viet Tran
June 22, 2010 8:28:03 AM EDT

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anthony wrote...
What if we change your hand to KK? Does everyone still fold?
no way
Ronin1085 .
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June 22, 2010 9:27:25 AM EDT

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If a had a 400,000 bankroll then I am shoving LOL but mine is a little shy of that right now LOL
Tracy Snell
June 22, 2010 9:42:08 AM EDT

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With an M over 16 and 1 on the bubble? Easy fold for me.
Bethany Wonnacott
June 22, 2010 10:14:54 AM EDT

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Honestly it would depend on the situation, and my read on him. If I had any clue he might be holding a legit hand it's an auto fold! I could even fold A's in that situation. However if I have a solid read and am sure it's a bluff I might call. It all depends on how things are going at that time.
Ronin1085 .
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June 22, 2010 10:24:19 AM EDT

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WillowTree420 wrote...
Honestly it would depend on the situation, and my read on him. If I had any clue he might be holding a legit hand it's an auto fold! I could even fold A's in that situation. However if I have a solid read and am sure it's a bluff I might call. It all depends on how things are going at that time.

That's the part would even scare me though -- Dwan has very little to lose, and I have a lot to lose.

Do I have the best hand??? probably concidering his range. it's the perils of being a recreational player I guess.

I would fear being run down being on the bubble like that.
Anthony Martino
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June 22, 2010 1:08:14 PM EDT

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There was a guy a few years back that folded Aces twice near the money bubble and then played them the third time. He tried to justify his preflop folds based on his results (he went on to finish 17th in the event). But if he had played those hands perhaps he makes a final table run and hits a big score (i.e. he potentially threw away millions by playing scared, which is what the pros prey upon)

Still, I can understand the trepidation when the money means a lot to you
Ronin1085 .
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June 22, 2010 4:31:52 PM EDT

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anthony wrote...
There was a guy a few years back that folded Aces twice near the money bubble and then played them the third time. He tried to justify his preflop folds based on his results (he went on to finish 17th in the event). But if he had played those hands perhaps he makes a final table run and hits a big score (i.e. he potentially threw away millions by playing scared, which is what the pros prey upon)

Still, I can understand the trepidation when the money means a lot to you

Yes I agree AJ. But in that situation it's all hindsight. I need to feed the family and put the roof over head. We have to play by those life rules.

granted -- I would not be happy folding.

Plus -- we didn't have aces LOL
Starling Money
June 23, 2010 11:47:28 AM EDT

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SamAdamsDan wrote...
That would be a crazy situation! For me it's a call. For one, our opponent is so aggressive his range is huge in that spot. I think if he had KK or AA he would be 3-betting there not pushing. He knows that we are at the bubble too and is probably using it to his advantage,knowing only a monster hand can call a push here.
I want to win, not make the bubble and this is a great chance to double up. Call that overaggressive adrenaline junkie and let him show us pocket 4's...

+ 1 to this

The rest of you guys are way too nitty, especially with this guys image, this is our chance to double up and win this thing