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• Mike Canu

  

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  July 7, 2010 4:43:12 AM EDT

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   I was at Mohegan last night and witnessed this play.
  
  Board is AK974 guy bets the river and the other player calls (they were on opposite sides of the table).  
  
  The dealer tells the players to turn up the hands and the guy says "i got a diamond" and turns over A3 and the other player mucks his hand.
  
• Anthony Martino

  

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  July 7, 2010 5:42:38 AM EDT

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  Lol, interesting.
  
  Seems semi-angle shooty, since the guy is playing the board in this spot and at best is chopping the pot.
• Michael Santora

  

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  July 7, 2010 5:48:48 AM EDT

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  My buddy used to do a similar thing heads up. If the other player called and asked "you got it?" my buddy would shake his head yes, pick up his cards, fan them out so they were visiible and show them to the guy across the table who was asking. Then 100% of the time I've seen this, the other guy would muck and rap the table and say "nice hand" even though my buddy was on a stone cold bluff.
  
  Was this an angle? I thought it was close but not really.
• Michael Santora

  

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  July 7, 2010 5:54:43 AM EDT

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  On yours Oreo, I would say no it is not an angle shoot. #1) the guy might have thought his diamond played and #2) the sequence was he said he had a diamond, then he tabled his hand, then the other guy mucked. It's up to the other guy to say to him that the diamond doesn't play or not to muck so fast so that the dealer or another player can say it.
• Daniel K

  
   

  July 8, 2010 3:21:46 AM EDT

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  Yea, it's not an angle shoot. He had a diamond... theoretically, he could have said that and not even had a diamond in his hand, since 5 of the cards playable for his hand were diamonds.
  
  That's why i make a habit before mucking to lean up and look at the player's hand before i make a decision..i wont say anything like "you beat me" or "ah ha!".. i just look, if i have him, i'll table them, say the hand i have, and sit back down and wait for the pot to get raked to me, or just muck and sit back down.
• Anthony Martino

  

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  July 8, 2010 11:19:15 AM EDT

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  Well, just because he has a diamond in his hand doesn't discount the angle shoot here. That's like saying "I have a pair" when perhaps a pair of 7's is showing on the board, in an effort to get your opponent to muck their AQ so you can table your KT and scoop a pot you would have lost otherwise.
  
  Likewise, him saying "I have a diamond" implies that he holds a diamond in his hole cards that makes him a better flush than the one on the board, causing his opponent to muck a hand that he was at least chopping the pot with his opponent against.
• Dan L.

  
   

  July 8, 2010 2:15:52 PM EDT

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  It's a bush league bullshit move...., he's a douche. But at the same time, if the other fella missed it it's his own damn fault. Pay attention! I would definetly remember that individual if he pulled that crap on me, then I'd would slow roll his ass when I stacked him!
• Michael Aitchison

  
   

  July 8, 2010 2:36:56 PM EDT

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  I think it depends on the stakes. Was this a good, bad player maybe he thought the diamond plays. I have friends that don't play often that would have done the same thing with the 3d in their hand. (I love when they play)
• Mike Canu

  

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  July 9, 2010 12:46:15 AM EDT

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  The guy was pretty much an inconsiderate asshole douche bag. Later in the night he was all in and the guy across the table bet and the guy next to him (who he had been chatting with all night) was considering a call and showed the all in player his hand. The DB said "oh it doesn't matter I can't beat you" and didn't see a problem with that comment. Guy called but fortunately the other guy won the hand. If it was me I would have gone ape-shit after that comment. Talk about giving someone the information to help them make a call.
• Michael Santora

  

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  July 9, 2010 4:48:20 AM EDT

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  The lesson is you just have to slow down and not let these guys gain an advantage. My last trip out to vegas, I lost a River bet in 4/8 to a douche. I bet out, he stacked $8 and started to slide them towards the pot and I table my hand just before he got them in and then he pulled them back. It was a definite move because he was sliding them in ever so slowing while keeping eyes focused on my hand.
  
  I almost said something to the dealer but knew that I was going to lose the argument so I just chalked it up to experience.